Tuesday, March 15, 2011

[papercreters] Re: ratios

Message #10020 should answer that question.


--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "unclejoefromokla"
<barwickraymond@...> wrote:

what is a good ratio for makeing fiberadobe \ dirt/paper/cement ect


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Thursday, March 10, 2011

[papercreters] ratios

what is a good ratio for makeing fiberadobe \
dirt/paper/cement ect

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Wednesday, March 2, 2011

[papercreters] Re: Hi Judith - papercrete

My first question to Erma would be how much water did she put into the
mix. When I use the same ratio's as she did I use a specific way of
mixing it all together. I first add my water to the paper (and it does
not make any difference how much water) and pulp the paper, then dip and
drain the pulp until it is just wet enough to mix the cement first
(until it is all mixed into the paper pulp and you can't see the paper
anymore, just cement covered pulp) then I add the clay or sand to that
mixture, and once it is all mixed well and is all one color (doesn't
make any difference what the color is) I them pack it into my molds or
my forms and if the temperture is right it will be hard enough the next
morning to remove the molds or forms, but if there is any doubt about
the firmness, let it set until you see it pulling loose from the mold or
forms on its own.

Bob
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS
<williams_judith@...> wrote:
>
>
> Wow Erma, what an ego boost right at the start of the day! I will take
some time later and do some research on using papercrete for sculptures.
Are you aware of the papercreters group on Yahoo? I will cc them with
this so you'll have the address. We had a fun little competition a
couple of years ago and some people did the most creative things with
papercrete. I believe there are quite a few pictures on the Yahoo site.
There is also an archive of formulas and recipes for different
applications. I'm on my way out to my project now to finish a little
banco (sort of a bench that extends from the fireplace) and extend the
hearth so I can get going on the floor. As I say, I'll get back to you
later with whatever I find that may help you.
>
> They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
>
> ~ in Memoirs of the Life and Writings of Benjamin Franklin
>
> Follow progress on the new project at
http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog
>
> More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith
>
>
>
>
> From: smile.l.e@...
> To: williams_judith@...
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:43:13 -0600
> Subject: Hi Judith - papercrete
>
> Your videos are so informative and helpful. You are great, especially
for those of us who are a little "older" with an independent spirit that
want to do things on our own, whether it is optional or not. Your
attitude is great and I admire you.
> I am only interested, at this point, in making planters - want to
start small - the shed will come next - the house? Well.....I live in
Canada and it might not survive the chronic wet conditions of our
climate. But my first few attempts at making planters and ornamental
mushrooms was a dismal failure. I used 1 part cement, 6 parts paper and
1-2 parts sand. I just tried it between 2 cardboard boxes and although
the boxes swelled and curved, I rather like that. After 40 hours I tried
to peel off the cardboard and the whole thing broke apart. I tried it a
second time and one wall came loose. I am gentle but discouraged. Have
you any suggestions. I have been up and down google but haven't found
anyone with that problem. If you are building houses !!! how can I be
having such problems with 2'x4' planter boxes???
> I hope you can shed some light on this mystery. Your work looks
perfect, easy and cheap, using up all that paper.
> Keep up the good work.
> Erma
>
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[papercreters] RE: Hi Judith - papercrete



Wow Erma, what an ego boost right at the start of the day! I will take some time later and do some research on using papercrete for sculptures. Are you aware of the papercreters group on Yahoo? I will cc them with this so you'll have the address. We had a fun little competition a couple of years ago and some people did the most creative things with papercrete. I believe there are quite a few pictures on the Yahoo site. There is also an archive of formulas and recipes for different applications. I'm on my way out to my project now to finish a little banco (sort of a bench that extends from the fireplace) and extend the hearth so I can get going on the floor. As I say, I'll get back to you later with whatever I find that may help you.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
~ in Memoirs of the Life and Writings of Benjamin Franklin

Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog

More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith





From: smile.l.e@shaw.ca
To: williams_judith@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:43:13 -0600
Subject: Hi Judith - papercrete

Your videos are so informative and helpful.   You are great, especially for those of us who are a little "older" with an independent spirit that want to do things on our own, whether it is optional or not.    Your attitude is great and I admire you.

I am only interested, at this point, in making planters - want to start small - the shed will come next - the house?   Well.....I live in Canada and it might not survive the chronic wet conditions of our climate.   But my first few attempts at making planters and ornamental mushrooms was a dismal failure.   I used 1 part cement, 6 parts paper and 1-2 parts sand.   I just tried it between 2 cardboard boxes and although the boxes swelled and curved, I rather like that.  After 40 hours I tried to peel off the cardboard and the whole thing broke apart.     I tried it a second time and one wall came loose.    I am gentle but discouraged.   Have you any suggestions.   I have been up and down google but haven't found anyone with that problem.    If you are building houses !!!  how can I be having such problems with 2'x4' planter boxes???

I hope you can shed some light on this mystery.   Your work looks perfect, easy and cheap, using up all that paper.   

Keep up the good work.

Erma

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[papercreters] Re: Comparison of starting to end product volumes of papercrete

I add red clay and or sand, it increases the size of the mix by the
exact amount of clay and or sand added.

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Tuesday, March 1, 2011

Re: [papercreters] Comparison of starting to end product volumes of papercrete



A pile of newspaper about 24" tall, 10.5x13.5 works out to about 2 cubic feet. A sack of cement is about a cubic foot. Remember that the cement becomes dispersed throughout and between the paper fibers so doesn't really add volume.

Throw those into a tow mixer and add water to get about 25 cubic feet of wet sloppy mix. Drained and placed into forms that gives you about 15 cubic feet of finished product. Adding other things like sand, perlite, etc. will add to the starting cubic feet but should also increase the yield by reducing the shrinkage during runoff and curing. I don't normally add anything other than paper, cement, and borax so someone else will have to say how much difference other additives make.


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On 3/1/2011 12:07 PM, Dan Nave wrote:

Has anyone ever compared what the difference in volume is of the materials used in making papercrete in relation to the end product?  (That would be materials not including water I would think since so much runs off when making papercrete.)

 

Such as, if you use so many cubic feet of paper and cement, you get so many cubic feet of finished papercrete.

 

And, it would be interesting to compare it to the volume ratio for regular cement mixes too.

 

Dan





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Has anyone ever compared what the difference in volume is of the materials used in making papercrete in relation to the end product?  (That would be materials not including water I would think since so much runs off when making papercrete.)

 

Such as, if you use so many cubic feet of paper and cement, you get so many cubic feet of finished papercrete.

 

And, it would be interesting to compare it to the volume ratio for regular cement mixes too.

 

Dan



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