Sunday, May 4, 2008

Re: [papercreters] Papercrete Gone Wild!

All you are missing in this is learning how long it takes to empty a 5 gallon bucket of PC with a homemade slurry blade on a 31CC gasoline powered drill then after getting that out of my hair (OK off my head) doing the same thing with a 1/2 inch electric drill.
For those of you lurking and reading about some of us who have been doing this for a littley while, we really are smarter than this.
We really are!


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[papercreters] Re: Pulp production

thank a lot for sharing this info with us, this is very interesting.
a question of proportions- how tall is your dome & what diameter?
plus does anyone have experience with pouring whole houses (even more then 1 floor high)?
for me I only used PC for now as stucco, planning on starting to manufacture bricks\insulating boards this year.
another FAQ, what about the recipes data sheet?
been there a couple of times & looks static- tried to upload some stucco recipes of my own but very not user friendly interface- can I help on promoting the project (though no knowledge in html\programming etc.)
udi
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Re: [papercreters] Papercrete Gone Wild!

Lol God Spaceman I almost peeded myself on this one toxic waste geezzz good point about the playing in the road. I am sooooooooo glad I am way the hell out in the desert so I dont have noseys around pigs dogs cats yes but no noseys. Crappy roads caused me to go to a fixed placed mixer right off the bat not that that has not been thrilling a few times. The van, go kart, and car have all jumped the rollers atleast once thank god for deadman switchs. The mixer has twice so it makes for good pucker power from time to time. I have been lucky the last 2 years seem to have everything trimmed out right no jumping.

Ken

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From: Spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net>
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Papercrete Gone Wild!
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 4, 2008, 10:23 AM

I have many panels with dog tracks in them, and even a couple with tire tracks (don't ask).  Then there are several that workshop attendees decorated with various patterns.

There was one time when I was still towing my mixer, when it came unhitched in the middle of the road, spilling all over the asphalt as the tongue headed skyward. I tried hanging off the hitch but it wouldn't come down. I scooted home and got a 10' large diameter pipe and used it as a lever to get the tongue down and rehitched, then shoveled most of the pc back into the mixer. By that time several people had gathered to watch, and one young mother accused me of dumping toxic waste in the road. She said it was a hazard because her kids played there. Asking why her kids play in the road did not help the situation : ). She just wouldn't believe that it was just paper and water, threatened to call the EPA! That incident was one of the reasons I made my mixer stationary and quit towing it.

Spaceman

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TerryW wrote:
Hi everyone,
 
I haven't posted for awhile, haven't been too active with papercrete for a bit,  but starting to get back into it now.
 
Have had a couple of less than successful mixing experiences here on my first two 'getting back into it' go arounds.

Anyway, just thought I'd share.  Can't really share this stuff with non-papercreters, they wouldn't really appreciate it or even know what the heck I was talking about.
 
Terry in AZ
 
 
 
 

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Re: [papercreters] Pulp production

Because my ultimate goal is to build my house out of papercrete, and that can't be my first papercrete project, I'm getting there in small test steps.  I would like to devise a generic enough form that it could be used inside or out.  I did contemplate how to fasten the mesh or lath form together through the wall to prevent bulging which would allow me to use bigger less rigid forms . . . kevlar fishing leader was a good option, but a little tedious to use and max easy to strip the forms . . . SNIP with small scissors.  Metal tie wire would work but is conducting and has other negative properties.  This may not be a factor as plastering the outside has to happen.  Regardless, I *could* go that route.  I also considered cable tie material . . . just haven't taken it much further than what is possible.  I've done a bit of looking on the net to see if I could find a magic pill for this . . . no joy  yet.  Something snip-able in 6", 10" and 12" lengths with a ring at each end would be perfect.  Slide through the form, pin at each end, fill form with papercrete.  When I start building the chicken house I'll get a chance to test these ideas.
 
I can afford to have the chicken house be less than a blazing success.  The chickens aren't going to notice or care.  I can also afford to have the pumphouse (subsequent project) be less than a blazing success, but much less so as I'm using it as a springboard to sell the county building permit guys on my house project.  The pumphouse has to have a permit and I want to involve the permit guy (Andy or Alan, memory fails me) in the process.  Because it's not a dwelling and pretty small (right on the border of needing a permit) I'm counting on them working with me on this alternative building material.
 
I'm off to the permit department this week to get a permit to move my temporary dwelling up to the house site.  I want to talk to the permit guy to make sure I have all my ducks in order.  Once I strike a bargain with the permit guy I'll start on the rubble trench foundation.  Progress!
 
ElfN
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From: Spaceman
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Pulp production

I was thinking more like a steel grid covered with lath, no plywood involved. It'll still bulge a little and give a sort of waffle pattern, which might be interesting. If you plan to plaster finish the surface, it wouldn't matter and might give the plaster a little more tooth to grab. The form could even be made with a pattern like the ones they use to make fake brick or rock walkways.

Spaceman

ElfNori wrote:
Thanks Spaceman!  That rocks!  <HUGE grin>
 
So the challenge is to find a material you can line the plywood with that will hold the papercrete in place and allow the water to drain out quickly . . . Mesh held in place by one of those draining floor mats maybe . . . The plywood will hold the mesh from bulging and the draining mat will allow the water to pour out unrestricted . . . Maybe concrete lath would do the same job . . . ?  The mesh will keep the papercrete from integrating into the mat or lath.
 
ElfN



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Re: [papercreters] Papercrete Gone Wild!

I have many panels with dog tracks in them, and even a couple with tire tracks (don't ask).  Then there are several that workshop attendees decorated with various patterns.

There was one time when I was still towing my mixer, when it came unhitched in the middle of the road, spilling all over the asphalt as the tongue headed skyward. I tried hanging off the hitch but it wouldn't come down. I scooted home and got a 10' large diameter pipe and used it as a lever to get the tongue down and rehitched, then shoveled most of the pc back into the mixer. By that time several people had gathered to watch, and one young mother accused me of dumping toxic waste in the road. She said it was a hazard because her kids played there. Asking why her kids play in the road did not help the situation : ). She just wouldn't believe that it was just paper and water, threatened to call the EPA! That incident was one of the reasons I made my mixer stationary and quit towing it.

Spaceman

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TerryW wrote:

Hi everyone,
 
I haven't posted for awhile, haven't been too active with papercrete for a bit,  but starting to get back into it now.
 
Have had a couple of less than successful mixing experiences here on my first two 'getting back into it' go arounds.

Anyway, just thought I'd share.  Can't really share this stuff with non-papercreters, they wouldn't really appreciate it or even know what the heck I was talking about.
 
Terry in AZ
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [papercreters] Pulp production

I was thinking more like a steel grid covered with lath, no plywood involved. It'll still bulge a little and give a sort of waffle pattern, which might be interesting. If you plan to plaster finish the surface, it wouldn't matter and might give the plaster a little more tooth to grab. The form could even be made with a pattern like the ones they use to make fake brick or rock walkways.

Spaceman

ElfNori wrote:

Thanks Spaceman!  That rocks!  <HUGE grin>
 
So the challenge is to find a material you can line the plywood with that will hold the papercrete in place and allow the water to drain out quickly . . . Mesh held in place by one of those draining floor mats maybe . . . The plywood will hold the mesh from bulging and the draining mat will allow the water to pour out unrestricted . . . Maybe concrete lath would do the same job . . . ?  The mesh will keep the papercrete from integrating into the mat or lath.
 
ElfN
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Re: [papercreters] Papercrete Gone Wild!

Dont ya just love your animals free range pigs also love to play in pc.

Ken

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From: TerryW <blazingsaddles@frontiernet.net>
Subject: [papercreters] Papercrete Gone Wild!
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 4, 2008, 2:08 AM

Hi everyone,
 
I haven't posted for awhile, haven't been too active with papercrete for a bit,  but starting to get back into it now.
 
Have had a couple of less than successful mixing experiences here on my first two 'getting back into it' go arounds.
 
The first mix I used clay to save on my Portland while experimenting with making a panel to use as a roof section for animal shades.  I used more clay than I did the last time I made a batch of this stuff (last summer) and all went well until after it was poured and setting up - which takes longer with clay.  I have two Border Collie pups who thought my wet slab was great fun to play on.  So I ended up cutting it into blocks and will use for filler as needed.  Too much clay, didn't look like it was going to work for what I wanted anyway.  That batch is on YouTube, by the way, if anyone wants to see it.  No shots of it post-Borders though.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPno5gWBWqE
 
Today my daughter and I made a new batch using Portland.  I'd just put the cement in and was topping off the water when I found out I forgot to put a block under the back of my tow mixer and I hadn't hitched it up to my truck yet either, next thing I know the tongue was flying straight up towards the sky and there was a very loud splash!  So much for saving on that Portland! 
 
But that's not all.  I should've stopped while I was ahead.  So I got the block and tried putting it under the back of the mixer and it didn't want to fit and I didn't take the time to dig down a bit and make it fit, I just stuck it under my drain pipe out the back on the bottom thinking that'll keep it from flipping over backwards.  We get all the newspapers back into it, more Portland, more sand, more water,  next thing I know, pop!, and my tank is bent in and my drain pipe thing is facing upwards, and dripping.  Well we figured we'd better get this batch made up quick (before my drain thing shot out the back of the tank) and off we went up the street hoping it held and we wouldn't end up leaving a big trail of papercrete up the street and back.  We made it back and it held until I tried to open it (the cap screws in) and the whole thing came out in one piece.  No biggy really, I can fix it easy enough with a hammer and some Bondo.
 
So I poured this batch behind another gate, in my back yard, so that my Borders couldn't play on this one.  It was looking pretty good, I pulled the form after awhile and checked on it now and then in the dark as I made my rounds.  I had thought my goats (3 of them) wouldn't mess with it but sure enough there were deep goat hoof prints in my slab. I managed to smoosh it around enough to fill them back in and hopefully now they know they're not supposed to walk on it... maybe I'll get lucky. 
 
Anyway, just thought I'd share.  Can't really share this stuff with non-papercreters, they wouldn't really appreciate it or even know what the heck I was talking about.
 
Terry in AZ
 
 
 
 


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