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Sunday, September 30, 2007

Re: [papercreters] Re: New Member Intro

If I understand things correctly (someone correct me if I'm wrong) you will immediately need to figure out how to supply shade over the window and sliding glass door or you will COOK in the desert.

ElfN

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From: cloud wall

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Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:51 AM

Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: New Member Intro

I don't mind sharing where I'm at, at all, and I want to go look at those pushpins, too. I've just started putting up another portable shelter since it looks like we may well end up spending the winter here and will photograph as I build, since it's hard to see the important parts in the finished product. We are on the eastern NC/SC border, zip 28369, just outside a tiny town called Orrum, which may not be on the average map. Where we are hoping to go to is an even more remote town called Rodeo, NM 88056. That is where the papercrete house and workshop are. The first link below is what attracted me to the area (that I know almost nothing about yet) and the second link is to a slide show of the actual papercrete house. My daughter is still negotiating so I can't say that it is ours yet but I am sure hoping. I know that there is some kind of construction going on in the courtyard of the house. I learned that from looking at the Living in Paper info, thank you. I have no idea what is being built. One photo shows another adobe/papercrete structure in the distance. That is the workshop. I don't know who did the work. http://www.malpaiborderlandsgroup.org/ http://www.desertwildlands.com/newmexico_list/23097_angel/index.htm
I hope the links work. I'm fairly computer illiterate. Clarissa

slurryguy <slurryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:

I'll add another hearty "welcome" to the chorus. Plus I'll echo the
sentiments others expressed for pictures.

Are you willing to share more specifics about where you are located?
It looks like we need to add another pushpin for your location on our
map in the Diagrams album in our photos section. (or more than one
for whatever other sites you know about.)

Don't be shy about telling us about the equipment you'll be using for
papercrete either.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "windwalkerwill"
<windwalkerwill@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
> I have tons of things to learn and am very excited to have found a
group
> that has accomplished so much and embodies so much experience. I've
> experimented with some alternative structures for our horses and I
was a
> considerable source of amusement to the local agricultural community
> until they saw that my structures were still standing after a round
of
> 60mph winds and the second round. While this was a far cry from a
> hurricane, I was very proud of my work. So far, we can safely house
10
> horses for about $2,000. and the structures are portable (not
taxable).
> I acquire 20 poly grain bags each week due to the horses and I have
> always been annoyed that there was no way to recycle them. Then I
> discovered bagged earth walls and am experimenting away...
> None of this research and experimenting though, helped me reach my
goal
> of living in a sustainable home and every month there is another
round
> of $300. utility bills. I decided that I didn't want to wait
forever and
> that, care taking for 20 creatures and an elderly mom probably
would not
> leave me much time to build that perfect home. Our area frowns on
> anything alternative, as well. We have finally located and begun
> negotiating to purchase an already started papercrete home in NM.
There
> is enough of a house to live in while I do all the horse related
(fence,
> barn, storage) building and even a papercrete workshop.
> I am not always good at technical things and am subject to
occasional
> blond moments but I can usually understand something after I've
plowed
> through it a few times.
> I'm looking forward to reading and learning and thank you all in
> advance. I doubt that I'll have a whole lot to contribute but I'm
sure
> to have a lot of questions.
> Clarissa
>

Clarissa
"He who holds, must first have discovered.
He who has discovered, must first have sought..."
~tale of y Chadee

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Re: [papercreters] Re: New Member Intro

I don't mind sharing where I'm at, at all, and I want to go look at those pushpins, too. I've just started putting up another portable shelter since it looks like we may well end up spending the winter here and will photograph as I build, since it's hard to see the important parts in the finished product. We are on the eastern NC/SC border, zip 28369, just outside a tiny town called Orrum, which may not be on the average map. Where we are hoping to go to is an even more remote town called Rodeo, NM 88056. That is where the papercrete house and workshop are. The first link below is what attracted me to the area (that I know almost nothing about yet) and the second link is to a slide show of the actual papercrete house. My daughter is still negotiating so I can't say that it is ours yet but I am sure hoping. I know that there is some kind of construction going on in the courtyard of the house. I learned that from looking at the Living in Paper info, thank you. I have no idea what is being built. One photo shows another adobe/papercrete structure in the distance. That is the workshop. I don't know who did the work. http://www.malpaiborderlandsgroup.org/ http://www.desertwildlands.com/newmexico_list/23097_angel/index.htm
I hope the links work. I'm fairly computer illiterate. Clarissa

slurryguy <slurryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:

I'll add another hearty "welcome" to the chorus. Plus I'll echo the
sentiments others expressed for pictures.

Are you willing to share more specifics about where you are located?
It looks like we need to add another pushpin for your location on our
map in the Diagrams album in our photos section. (or more than one
for whatever other sites you know about.)

Don't be shy about telling us about the equipment you'll be using for
papercrete either.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "windwalkerwill"
<windwalkerwill@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
> I have tons of things to learn and am very excited to have found a
group
> that has accomplished so much and embodies so much experience. I've
> experimented with some alternative structures for our horses and I
was a
> considerable source of amusement to the local agricultural community
> until they saw that my structures were still standing after a round
of
> 60mph winds and the second round. While this was a far cry from a
> hurricane, I was very proud of my work. So far, we can safely house
10
> horses for about $2,000. and the structures are portable (not
taxable).
> I acquire 20 poly grain bags each week due to the horses and I have
> always been annoyed that there was no way to recycle them. Then I
> discovered bagged earth walls and am experimenting away...
> None of this research and experimenting though, helped me reach my
goal
> of living in a sustainable home and every month there is another
round
> of $300. utility bills. I decided that I didn't want to wait
forever and
> that, care taking for 20 creatures and an elderly mom probably
would not
> leave me much time to build that perfect home. Our area frowns on
> anything alternative, as well. We have finally located and begun
> negotiating to purchase an already started papercrete home in NM.
There
> is enough of a house to live in while I do all the horse related
(fence,
> barn, storage) building and even a papercrete workshop.
> I am not always good at technical things and am subject to
occasional
> blond moments but I can usually understand something after I've
plowed
> through it a few times.
> I'm looking forward to reading and learning and thank you all in
> advance. I doubt that I'll have a whole lot to contribute but I'm
sure
> to have a lot of questions.
> Clarissa
>

Clarissa
"He who holds, must first have discovered.
He who has discovered, must first have sought..."
~tale of y Chadee

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Re: [papercreters] New Member Intro

It's the straight lines that are hard! If you can do them, you should have no problem with curves and domes.

       Spaceman  All opinions expressed or implied are subject to change without notice upon receipt of new facts.

cloud wall wrote:

Thank you for the welcome, too. I must talk to Joyce. The domes are much more weather resistant than what I've accomplished. Even with the bagged earth wall, I haven't dared anything but a straight line,yet. years ago, I went on a mission, studying keystone bridges and I think that the math is similar but I know that the margin for error is pretty non~existent. I would love to do the same thing for my stallions.
Clarissa

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Re: [papercreters] New Member Intro

Hi Clarissa, and welcome! My project hasn't gotten much further than
the planning stage -- yet! -- but I am saving every single scrap of
paper, not letting DH burn any of it. Questions are always welcome; I
still have quite a few of my own! LOL! But mostly, I lurk...

:-) Joyce in SE Ohio

ElfNori wrote:
> Welcome, Clarissa! You must talk to Joyce, who is building papercrete
> domes for her Shetland stallions!
>
> ElfN
>
>
>
> Hello Everyone,
> I have tons of things to learn and am very excited to have found a
> group that has accomplished so much and embodies so much
> experience. I've experimented with some alternative structures for
> our horses and I was a considerable source of amusement to the
> local agricultural community until they saw that my structures
> were still standing after a round of 60mph winds and the second
> round. ...
>
>

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[papercreters] Re: Papercrete Concrete Form Blocks

Any pictures of your papercrete form blocks?

What papercrete recipe do you use for them?

Have you built with papercrete in North Dakota and Arizona?

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "William Conrad" <humvee@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Janoahsh" <janoahsh@> wrote:
> To make the papercrete form blocks I pour papercrete into the
> horizontal mold
> 3" thick and then poke in 9" pieces of chain link fence wire
standing
> uprite. The wire comes in a zig zag pattern and it dries into the
> papercrete side. I then pour the hi mass side concrete or earth
> plaster and push the exposed wires from the papercrete block into
the
> setting Hi Thermal Mass side. This gives me a papercrete exterior
and
> a plastered or concrete hi thermal storing wall inside. I do use
> vernicle re bars in the middle (32" OC) and a 1/2" horizontal bar
every
> 4' (2 in an 8' wall). The result is 9" of insulation outside and a
3"
> high thermal mass inside. My homes already use insulated slab
floors
> with pex tubing for radiant heat. I either stucco or side the
outside
> for looks. I have had good luck with just painting the Stucco and
have
> not had any water problems. I build in North Dakota and Arizona.
>

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[papercreters] Re: New Member Intro

I'll add another hearty "welcome" to the chorus. Plus I'll echo the
sentiments others expressed for pictures.

Are you willing to share more specifics about where you are located?
It looks like we need to add another pushpin for your location on our
map in the Diagrams album in our photos section. (or more than one
for whatever other sites you know about.)

Don't be shy about telling us about the equipment you'll be using for
papercrete either.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "windwalkerwill"
<windwalkerwill@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
> I have tons of things to learn and am very excited to have found a
group
> that has accomplished so much and embodies so much experience. I've
> experimented with some alternative structures for our horses and I
was a
> considerable source of amusement to the local agricultural community
> until they saw that my structures were still standing after a round
of
> 60mph winds and the second round. While this was a far cry from a
> hurricane, I was very proud of my work. So far, we can safely house
10
> horses for about $2,000. and the structures are portable (not
taxable).
> I acquire 20 poly grain bags each week due to the horses and I have
> always been annoyed that there was no way to recycle them. Then I
> discovered bagged earth walls and am experimenting away...
> None of this research and experimenting though, helped me reach my
goal
> of living in a sustainable home and every month there is another
round
> of $300. utility bills. I decided that I didn't want to wait
forever and
> that, care taking for 20 creatures and an elderly mom probably
would not
> leave me much time to build that perfect home. Our area frowns on
> anything alternative, as well. We have finally located and begun
> negotiating to purchase an already started papercrete home in NM.
There
> is enough of a house to live in while I do all the horse related
(fence,
> barn, storage) building and even a papercrete workshop.
> I am not always good at technical things and am subject to
occasional
> blond moments but I can usually understand something after I've
plowed
> through it a few times.
> I'm looking forward to reading and learning and thank you all in
> advance. I doubt that I'll have a whole lot to contribute but I'm
sure
> to have a lot of questions.
> Clarissa
>

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Saturday, September 29, 2007

Re: [papercreters] New Member Intro

Thank you for the welcome, too. I must talk to Joyce. The domes are much more weather resistant than what I've accomplished. Even with the bagged earth wall, I haven't dared anything but a straight line,yet. years ago, I went on a mission, studying keystone bridges and I think that the math is similar but I know that the margin for error is pretty non~existent. I would love to do the same thing for my stallions.
Clarissa

ElfNori <elf@elfnori.com> wrote:

Welcome, Clarissa! You must talk to Joyce, who is building papercrete domes for her Shetland stallions!

ElfN

----- Original Message -----

From: windwalkerwill

To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 6:20 PM

Subject: [papercreters] New Member Intro

Hello Everyone,
I have tons of things to learn and am very excited to have found a group that has accomplished so much and embodies so much experience. I've experimented with some alternative structures for our horses and I was a considerable source of amusement to the local agricultural community until they saw that my structures were still standing after a round of 60mph winds and the second round. While this was a far cry from a hurricane, I was very proud of my work. So far, we can safely house 10 horses for about $2,000. and the structures are portable (not taxable). I acquire 20 poly grain bags each week due to the horses and I have always been annoyed that there was no way to recycle them. Then I discovered bagged earth walls and am experimenting away...
None of this research and experimenting though, helped me reach my goal of living in a sustainable home and every month there is another round of $300. utility bills. I decided that I did't want to wait forever and that, care taking for 20 creatures and an elderly mom probably would not leave me much time to build that perfect home. Our area frowns on anything alternative, as well. We have finally located and begun negotiating to purchase an already started papercrete home in NM. There is enough of a house to live in while I do all the horse related (fence, barn, storage) building and even a papercrete workshop.
I am not always good at technical things and am subject to occasional blond moments but I can usually understand something after I've plowed through it a few times.
I'm looking forward to reading and learning and thank you all in advance. I doubt that I'll have a whole lot to contribute but I'm sure to have a lot of questions.
Clarissa

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Clarissa
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