Wednesday, September 24, 2014

[papercreters] Clothing-Crete?



Eo, a great idea to dip and use old clothes….tons are dumped from thrift stores as we all have too much to ever even give away

.  some is sent by the  container load to poor countries where we see a mad mix of fashion on people too  destitute to buy anything.

So, I love the dipping in slurry idea, once covered with /crete or other plaster you can't tell.  also using a bamboo or other natural material that won't rust could work too,

There are those shelter roofs made of 'flying' angled canvas…they can cover a football field.  a few steel lines are  hung, then the fabric is tensioned over the  cables.  works as roof and wall.

or those who love geodesic dome shapes could slurry and lay fabric over.

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Charmaine

Charmaine Taylor/Publishing & Elk River Press
PO Box 375 Cutten CA 95534
www.papercrete.com

Some people forget that their beliefs don't make them a better person. 
*Their behavior does*

"Have courage for the great sorrows of life and patience for the small ones. And when you have laboriously accomplised your daily task, go to sleep in peace. God is awake." 
(Victor Hugo, 1802-1885)
 
 


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[papercreters] Re: CONCRETE CLOTH SHELTERS



Hi,  i was experimenting with a similar idea and have had good results. essentially i used old clothes dipped in concrete slurry ( with some bondcrete in the mix) which i hung over the wires of ringlock fencing attached to a sturdy frame- when set, i used a papercrete render over the clothes layer. i also tried some using flat cloth, about 3 layers (seems natural fibre is best-poly cotton doesn't make the grade-old flannelette bed sheets ideal) but this was more labour intensive than the old clothes as i had to paint each piece before putting on the wires...the old clothes in slurry was quicker (though probably less economical use of the slurry...) and additionally, the complex surface presented by the clothes gave an excellent 'key' for the papercrete to stick to.(made short work of a sizable amount of laundry that moulded after a monster rain!) i have used the same idea to make planters, draping the cloth over a box, tub or whatever to the required size- in that case, i used flat cloth in squares that would fit a paint roller tray- 3 or 4 layers, when its set, render with papercrete, leave 3 weeks to cure and remove from the support.My next project was going to be  builders reo mesh but i haven't been able to get to that yet. I am still a little worried about rust expanding inside the structure and causing it to fail- i probably should have painted the reo before it rusted but too late now. the manufactured concrete cloth looks wonderful and 'easy' except that it is pricey and heavy- fairly 'man' work i should think? it would save alot of mixing! cheers, eo


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Sunday, September 21, 2014

[papercreters] CONCRETE CLOTH SHELTERS



Very ingenious use of cement impregnated cloth--a tent in a bag..water it, blow up. move in in <30 hours  then cover with layers of papercrete?

several kinds are shown in youtube vids

they show electric blowers, but in remote areas in emergency situations  delivering these heavy bags needing a lifter,  and  adding air, plus available water under pressure seems not as easy as they show.   there are no windows, only a door for ventilation, no light inside… the one god idea is covering with earth or foam/snow as insulation


no reason you couldn't buy long strips of cement cloth, lay over wire/metal frame and spray with a hose, plan windows, etc before setting the concrete.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb1pdvvoVoQ

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Charmaine

Charmaine Taylor/Publishing & Elk River Press
PO Box 375 Cutten CA 95534
www.papercrete.com

Some people forget that their beliefs don't make them a better person. 
*Their behavior does*

"Have courage for the great sorrows of life and patience for the small ones. And when you have laboriously accomplised your daily task, go to sleep in peace. God is awake." 
(Victor Hugo, 1802-1885)
 
 


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Friday, September 19, 2014

[papercreters] Re: papercrete costs and coatings



No casting has been done yet, this is still in the design stage.

Thank you for your excellent constructive criticism regarding the draft angle and mold release, you are absolutely correct.

I had been thinking of using a 3D printer to make a negative of the grid positive mold, to cast numerous grid positive molds out of hard expanded foam, for a larger application of many acres using a very large number of pallets.  I think this approach will still work, but the grid positive mold would have to be made of latex rubber rather than expanded foam.

But for a smaller installation it makes more sense to use a router to add some draft angle.

I adapted this old pallet and box design to a very large scale implementation covering many acres, using a roughly 5% epoxy 75% hard expanded foam chop 20% sand mix instead of papercrete, and had planned on using this mix there, the costs versus longevity and structural integrity are much more favorable.

Epoxy:
$2,000.00 per ton is $0.0196773 per cubic inch
Hard expanded foam chop:
$2,000.00 per ton is $0.0000391 per cubic inch

However, I wanted to go back and redo the small 4 place box to give out something to the smaller producer, and update that ancient 4 place design with some of the newer elements to drop the price, like the arched removable walls and wall based manifolds to drop the cost.

Apparently, given your analysis of thinner papercrete castings, the 5% epoxy 75% hard expanded foam chop 20% sand mix would have to used there as well for the pallets instead of papercrete, but I still think that a papercrete box and floor is still the better choice for a small scale build like a 4 or 16 place box.

Therefore, the main info I still need would be the papercrete cost for the estimate and the cheap coating materials info.

5% epoxy 75% expanded foam chop 20% sand

 



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[papercreters] Re: papercrete costs and coatings



Have you actually cast one of these yet?

I see some potential issues --

* The grid positive board. No draft angle on the individual squares. You might have problems getting it off the mold otherwise.

* Unless you are going to add a polyfiber admixture I don't know if this will hold together. Papercrete is a pretty brittle product in small cross sections.

Just some thoughts.


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Thursday, September 18, 2014

[papercreters] papercrete costs and coatings



I am designing a project that uses papercrete.  I read that someone was making papercrete for 8.7 cents per cubic foot, which sounds a little on the low side to me.

I would appreciate it if the members here could post their own costs for comparison.

I would also appreciate any thoughts on low cost sealer coatings for ground contact areas, and any general thoughts on the application of papercrete in the project.  Project links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgvNcYuBYJI

Early 4 place pallet design

 






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Friday, September 12, 2014

Re: [papercreters] Brand new



I'm in south central Michigan.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014

Re: [papercreters] Tow Mixer



I live in San Angelo and I am currently working on a project to build a home out of Mason GreenStar Blox and some homemade mix of my own.
I would love to talk with you about papercrete and such.

Richard Schneider
San Angelo, Texas
325-655-7873

From: "Adobedobie adobedobie@yahoo.com [papercreters]" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
To: "papercreters@yahoogroups.com" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Tow Mixer [3 Attachments]

 
[Attachment(s) from Adobedobie included below]
I live just outside of San Angelo Tx. I have a tow mixer which I built about 7 or 8 years ago. At the time I had great expectations but since, they have cooled. I made 2 batches of blocks and the mixer works very good.  I would be willing to sell it for $500. If you are interested, let me know.
 
Dave Jonas Sr.

P.O. Box 392
10233 N Burma Loop
Carlsbad, TX 76934

325-656-9417


On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:22 PM, "michael joyce mojojoyce@yahoo.com [papercreters]" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




Dear Murry,  Thanks for the gift card.  I would probably sell it for 800$ because I can make another one with parts.  There is a lot put into a mixer.  I still dream of making slurry but can get the time right now.   Mike


On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:48 AM, "murry.holley@yahoo.com [papercreters]" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




Greetings:)
Hi this is Murry from San Marcos TX. I am about to start a project that will require about 75 cuyds of Hybrid -Adobe for walls and maybe an additional 40 cuyds of papercrete for the roof.If at all possible I would like to purchase or lease a tow mixer that  is already built in lieu of starting from scratch. 

If anyone can help it is greatly appreciated.

Thanks and best wishes
Murry












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Monday, September 8, 2014

Re: [papercreters] Tow Mixer [3 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from Adobedobie included below]

I live just outside of San Angelo Tx. I have a tow mixer which I built about 7 or 8 years ago. At the time I had great expectations but since, they have cooled. I made 2 batches of blocks and the mixer works very good.  I would be willing to sell it for $500. If you are interested, let me know.
 
Dave Jonas Sr.

P.O. Box 392
10233 N Burma Loop
Carlsbad, TX 76934

325-656-9417


On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:22 PM, "michael joyce mojojoyce@yahoo.com [papercreters]" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




Dear Murry,  Thanks for the gift card.  I would probably sell it for 800$ because I can make another one with parts.  There is a lot put into a mixer.  I still dream of making slurry but can get the time right now.   Mike


On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:48 AM, "murry.holley@yahoo.com [papercreters]" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




Greetings:)
Hi this is Murry from San Marcos TX. I am about to start a project that will require about 75 cuyds of Hybrid -Adobe for walls and maybe an additional 40 cuyds of papercrete for the roof.If at all possible I would like to purchase or lease a tow mixer that  is already built in lieu of starting from scratch. 

If anyone can help it is greatly appreciated.

Thanks and best wishes
Murry










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Monday, September 1, 2014

[papercreters] Shrinkage factor



I'm excited about putting UP a post & beam structure approx 17 X 12 ft. which will include a porch deck.( my new CLAY studio !! )    I*'m plan to frame it our w/ 24 " between  2" X 4" post & larger corner post.  I'm thinking of using papercrete infill between perhaps 1 X 12 tagged on across the beams. horazontally .. & then pour papercrete in the form.  I'm thinking of putting nails / screws in the beams to secure it due to shrinkage.  ( And then fill cracks after drying.) and then .. of course work my way UP each day... to the top.  Expectations on shrinkage.  I hear that more cement will lessen the shrinkage.  Any other tips ?  I probably won't actually start this infix until next spring ... as the season will soon change.  ( N CA )  


           THANKS in advance for any tips or suggested formulas.  The mix I know be 85% pulp... 10 % earth, 5 % portland cement. 


                       In appreciation,  Sir Glenneth- from " the land of Cobb "





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