Or just use a trans-dimensional phase shifter to alter the size.
Sort of like angels dancing on the head of a pin.
Obviously angels are just more technologically advanced ... LOL
TASHA
On 12/26/2012 07:16P, spaceman wrote:
very carefully
On 12/25/2012 10:12 PM, JayH wrote:
Spaceman? How does a sleigh and eight (or nine) tiny reindeer land on top of a dome roof?
Please describe in detail your proposed galvanized steel roof on a dome.
Oh... one thing I didn't mention earlier, that I'm sure you already know, but I'll throw it in here anyway.
I mentioned the importance of a durable waterproof layer, and the need for appropriate vapor barriers, but more important than all of that is BUILDING ON HIGH GROUND.
When it comes to hurricanes, storm surge and flood damage are the biggest enemy.
Even if you don't anticipate floods on your land, you still want to build any structure on a foundation that extends above the surrounding terrain.
Now that I have stated the incredibly obvious, please go ahead and describe this galvanized steel dome roof you have in mind.
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Othello English <ifilmswest@...> wrote:
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>  I was thinking of a cement stucco exterior...being inland on the southwest gulf coast the average rainfall was surprisingly only a few more inches than the high Arizona desert. The roof would probably be galvanized steel.
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start at the bottom :)
I use triangular bricks the size of the dome frame triangles. I would forget that shaky scaffold, climb the dome frame. You can climb each ring of triangles as it is completed, and add the next ring on top. You can also use a ladder leaned against the frame. Scaffolds are straight up, and domes are not, so the gap between the platform and the frame gets wide pretty quickly.
This link is an example, a dome that someone bought, used a few years, and then brought back when he sold his house. It was a great deal for me, and he was satisfied that he got his money's worth of use.
http://starship-enterprises.net/Paperdome/
After this dome came back home, I put it together again and am presently sitting in it as I type this. I added a clerestory and a hydronic floor. I used a spray washer for part of it, and a no-tow mixer for the majority. I got the 1' thick outer coat up about seven feet, or halfway up the dome, and never finished. Meanwhile I've gotten distracted into the earthship/dome so it may be a few more years before I finally get this one coated to the top. In my mild climate it rarely gets down to the single digits and the 3-4" of pc in the panels is doing fine for keeping me warm until I eventually finish it and save more on heat. Down on the coast your weather should be even milder.
http://starship-enterprises.net/spraywasher/Index.html
spaceman
Did someone mention dome roof? Thinking of building a dome near Texas gulf coast instead of traditional house. Hoping it will survive the occasional hurricane winds...however to really jump off a cliff here...thinking of using bricks of papercrete for exterior. Now the million dollar question (Those who know me saw this coming!). How would one brave soul, teetering on home built scaffolding attach said bricks? As always the generosity of the folks in this group far exceeds the appreciation they deserve, so thanx a million in advance. The idea of using a power washer was brilliant (pics just posted) now after making a house full of bricks I'm thinking of having it bronzed, or at least write a song about it.
Did someone mention dome roof? Thinking of building a dome near
Texas gulf coast instead of traditional house. Hoping it will
survive the occasional hurricane winds...however to really jump off a
cliff here...thinking of using bricks of papercrete for exterior.
Now the million dollar question (Those who know me saw this
coming!). How would one brave soul, teetering on home built
scaffolding attach said bricks? As always the generosity of the
folks in this group far exceeds the appreciation they deserve, so
thanx a million in advance. The idea of using a power washer was
brilliant (pics just posted) now after making a house full of bricks
I'm thinking of having it bronzed, or at least write a song about it.
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lol
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Spaceman? How does a sleigh and eight (or nine) tiny reindeer land on top of a dome roof?
Spaceman?
How does a sleigh and eight (or nine) tiny reindeer land on top of a dome roof?
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you too, my dear!
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Merry Christmas Spaceman and all, from Calif.
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Merry Christmas Spaceman and all, from Calif.
Merry Christmas Spaceman and all, from Calif.
Do you have any pix and what part of Ca are you
in?
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "mixmasterpulp" <clogango@...> wrote:
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> Hi papercreters,
>
> I'm selling my papercrete mixer. I took an old concrete truck, stripped it, added a flatbed, water tank, & then used the 1800 rpm hydraulic motor to drive my fabricated assembly...etc. Anyway, for 5 years now, it's reliably pulped 1,000 gallons of newspaper in about a minute of run time. The truck has mostly been used at home, has a non-op status on it, and would take a bit to be road legal. However, I've gotten 1 day moving permits anytime I want to transport short distances (i.e. across town). I'm in California. I do have at least $8,000 in materials invested, not including all the weekends of labor & design. It would be nice to recoup some of that overhead. Also, I have a 1989 Mayco grout pump and 150' of 2" hose to pump it. I'd greatly appreciate any assistance finding an inspired home for it. Thanks
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Funny and rather bizarre presentation by Oscar Tuazon
WARNING. TOWARD THE END OF HIS PRESENTATION HE GETS GRAPHIC AND SUGGESTIVE.
Around the 36 minute point, he talks about his work with papercrete.
http://vimeo.com/54601099
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Hi papercreters,
I'm selling my papercrete mixer. I took an old concrete truck, stripped it, added a flatbed, water tank, & then used the 1800 rpm hydraulic motor to drive my fabricated assembly...etc. Anyway, for 5 years now, it's reliably pulped 1,000 gallons of newspaper in about a minute of run time. The truck has mostly been used at home, has a non-op status on it, and would take a bit to be road legal. However, I've gotten 1 day moving permits anytime I want to transport short distances (i.e. across town). I'm in California. I do have at least $8,000 in materials invested, not including all the weekends of labor & design. It would be nice to recoup some of that overhead. Also, I have a 1989 Mayco grout pump and 150' of 2" hose to pump it. I'd greatly appreciate any assistance finding an inspired home for it. Thanks
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I plan on spraying on a stucco on the out side of my PC walls. Is borax or anything else really necessary or is a inch thick layer of stucco well enough to stop anything. If borax is recommended then how much? I also do not know if anything else like paperer should be added to the spray on stucco. I am at the mixer building stage was building one 300gal ran into a design change and am now almost finished with a 200 gal as well. I work 50 hr week and have other projects when I get home, but keep plugging forward on the dream. Thanks Mike south TX.
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I watched a documentary about the dust bowl a while back and one of the houses in it had the windows sealed with a similar substance used in conjunction with newspaper &/or strips of cloth. I don't recall just how it was made but a lot of it was still pretty much intact which is why I remember it. All the ingredients were typical of what you would find in any house of the time and place. Not bad after about 75 years!!
Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:45 PM, ken winston caine <ken.winston.caine@gmail.com> wrote:
Had forgotten that using boiling water makes a stronger glue from flour and water. Was just remembering how we used to make paste in elementary school from flour and water.
RE: Insects. Was expecting and hoping -- and it seems to be the case so far -- that the added borax would discourage pests. Haven't seen any signs of insects -- or rodents for that matter -- trying the the unsatisfactory test papercrete squares I made with this.
Do recall now, as I write this, that we were advised in school to add salt to the mix to keep pasted items from molding. Wonder if that really works?
Was hoping the flour paste would help bind together my clay and papercrete mix. Still think the problem I had with that mix was that I used too much clay.
Aside: Since just pulped paper alone (and with borax added) makes such satisfactory and lightweight blocks, think I will experiment -- when I get back to this -- with how much borax must added to a 5 gallon mix to end up with papercrete that will not burn and will not smoulder until it reduces the block to ash. When I get around to that, I'll report my results here.
You are a rewal hoot to read sometimes. Bring on the Monty Python. 8>))) Alan --- On Tue, 12/4/12, JayH <slurryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Glad I could find a way to annoy you. (kidding)
I used the highly scientific approach of doing a YouTube search for "Table Saw Sled" and that video was the first one that showed up on the results.
I'm particularly impressed with Matthias Wandel's work. Perhaps I should have linked to his YouTube video about a sled, but his sled doesn't have those safety bars going across the top of the sled. The papercreters safety inquisition enforcers would have jumped all over my post as if I was promoting nuclear armageddon if I had linked to something without safety guards. Since I didn't want to promote the end of all life as we know it, I wimped out and posted the first result YouTube came back with.
Sigh... I guess there is no way to please everyone.
:(
(Safety Inquisition????!!!!!!!! Should I post a YouTube of a Monty Python sketch?)
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Alan <rustaholic777@...> wrote:
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> 25 years building houses and my very own wood shop and just now putting together my machine shop that guy on the video really bugs me but he is great for beginners.
> I have already built many sleds and jigs that would work great to rip the spines off the magazines.
> Alan in michigan
>
> --- On Mon, 12/3/12, JayH <slurryguy@...> wrote:
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>
> Building your own sled is a simple task. There are numerous designs that are all basically the same concept. Many youtube videos exist on the topic. Here is one.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69t6MFCUobw
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Had forgotten that using boiling water makes a stronger glue from flour and water. Was just remembering how we used to make paste in elementary school from flour and water.
RE: Insects. Was expecting and hoping -- and it seems to be the case so far -- that the added borax would discourage pests. Haven't seen any signs of insects -- or rodents for that matter -- trying the the unsatisfactory test papercrete squares I made with this.
Do recall now, as I write this, that we were advised in school to add salt to the mix to keep pasted items from molding. Wonder if that really works?
Was hoping the flour paste would help bind together my clay and papercrete mix. Still think the problem I had with that mix was that I used too much clay.
Aside: Since just pulped paper alone (and with borax added) makes such satisfactory and lightweight blocks, think I will experiment -- when I get back to this -- with how much borax must added to a 5 gallon mix to end up with papercrete that will not burn and will not smoulder until it reduces the block to ash. When I get around to that, I'll report my results here.
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25 years building houses and my very own wood shop and just now putting together my machine shop that guy on the video really bugs me but he is great for beginners. I have already built many sleds and jigs that would work great to rip the spines off the magazines. Alan in michigan --- On Mon, 12/3/12, JayH <slurryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Actually... that table I gave you does have Southern Yellow Pine on it.
There are several different tree species that are considered Southern Yellow Pine. The table gets specific about each individual species.
Here is another document that discusses the issue.
http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fpltn/fpltn-214-1936.pdf
You probably can contact your wood supplier to find out exactly what species they have available.
Hope this helps.
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> Greetings,
> Unfortunately, the link does not have southern yellow pine on it. But,
> I did find a reference that said it was one of the strongest woods, if
> not the strongest to use for beams and supports. Which sounds good to me.
>
> I am in the hot humid south. Yes, vapor barriers go on the outside.
> And yes, the tar paper has been dropped. We have dropped the deck as
> well, the papercrete will sit on chicken wire, then be covered with
> petrified hessian. The inside will be stuccoed with papercrete, then
> painted with a natural breathable paint, like the walls. This way, and
> water that gets in there, can come out. Mold and mildew are huge
> problems in this area. I did not want to have to do stuccoing, but the
> cost of the deck is a strong incentive to do away with it.
>
> We hope to put the poles up on the roof on January 19th, if anyone would
> like to join us. Camping available, no children and pets please.
>
> Bright Blessings,
> Garth & Kim Travis
> www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
> Bedias, Texas
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> On 12/3/2012 9:35 AM, JayH wrote:
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> > Here is a pretty good read concerning the strength of various wood species:
> > http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fplgtr190/chapter_05.pdf
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Funny - that's what I think I wrote.
In any case, it still seems like an expensive mix with portland at $8 a bag (or so).
How may cubic feet will the 92/125 make?
TASHA
On 12/3/2012 05:19A, Alan wrote:
From: Tasha <tashatesla@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete in the cold North?
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Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 1:26 AM
A 1:2 ratio for portland to paper?
Wouldn't that make for some expensive papercrete?
TASHA
On 12/2/2012 10:14P, Ron wrote:Hi Alan, You probably have a bit more moist environment than that in Montana, but I did just that. In 2008 I started a shed 8'X16' to house a three wheeler and trailer. I was only able to work on it summers and so it sat through the winter. I did cover it for some of the time but nothing fancy, a blue tarp that never made it through the winter. My mix was not what you mentioned, rather it was 1:2 portland to paper. I was adding sand at the beginning but soon was using just paper and portland. I never got it done because of other pressing matters. In December 2011 I had to remove it from where it was because I had put it right in the path where an 18 wheeler needed to go around one of my buildings. So it sat in the elements for 4 years and was perfectly fine when I tore it apart. I saved all that I had done because I am planning a "real" building which will have 12" thick walls. I'll be able to bury all the pieces I salvaged from my initial attempt in the walls of the new structure because the shed only had 8" walls. Personally, I don't think you'll be wasting your time. Ron --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Alan <rustaholic777@...> wrote:Next question Is there anyone here that has done a straight equal amount of paper and Portland in water and built anything to set outside here in the cold sometimes very wet North? I would love to know that if I build the tow mixer and put up a papercrete shed it will last a good while. It would be a real waste to make the tow mixer just to do some samples that fail. If none of you can assure me it will work I do suppose I could do a five gallon bucket test and make a block to set outside for a year or so. I have one of those drill powered "paint" stirrers to mix up Quick Crete in five gallon buckets if only I can find it now. Alan in Northern Lower Michigan------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: papercreters-digest@yahoogroups.com papercreters-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: papercreters-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
