Papercreters: September 2012

Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Re: [papercreters] Re: progress photo

That's because in order to see attached/inserted photos you have to be getting individual posts. Yahoo strips them from the digest and does not save them on the site.

Too bad I missed you last year, but then not too much was going on. A small pc dome, a doghouse, not much else.

So far no takers but a class from a local community college is coming out Monday to sling slurry and maybe fill some tires.

On 9/25/2012 10:51 AM, ken_winston_caine wrote:

  Am unable to see the photo, either at the group online or in the daily digest. Don't know why that is. Obviously others have seen it.    This time last year, Spaceman, I was heading down your way and hoping to be able to volunteer a day or two. Sorry, but this year I can't. I'm in a race to see if I can get a room up for the winter. It will start freezing here, nights, any time in the next three weeks. (And I'm still at the frame stage, right now.) Going to have to stay put and keep working on my own experiment. Will do some photos documenting what I'm up to as it progresses.    Hope you get some eager takers. Another time I'll be one. (If another opportunity arises.)    Good luck,  ken        ------------------------------------    Yahoo! Groups Links    <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/    <*> Your email settings:      Individual Email | Traditional    <*> To change settings online go to:      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join      (Yahoo! ID required)    <*> To change settings via email:      papercreters-digest@yahoogroups.com       papercreters-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com    <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:      papercreters-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com    <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:      http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/        -----  No virus found in this message.  Checked by AVG - www.avg.com  Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5290 - Release Date: 09/24/12

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[papercreters] Re: progress photo

Am unable to see the photo, either at the group online or in the daily digest. Don't know why that is. Obviously others have seen it.

This time last year, Spaceman, I was heading down your way and hoping to be able to volunteer a day or two. Sorry, but this year I can't. I'm in a race to see if I can get a room up for the winter. It will start freezing here, nights, any time in the next three weeks. (And I'm still at the frame stage, right now.) Going to have to stay put and keep working on my own experiment. Will do some photos documenting what I'm up to as it progresses.

Hope you get some eager takers. Another time I'll be one. (If another opportunity arises.)

Good luck,
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Monday, September 24, 2012

Re: [papercreters] Finished Frame

Thanks Ev. I was so tired I just sat on the ground to take this shot, but I was also thrilled that the frame is finally finished. This is the first 5 frequency dome frame I have designed and after my helpers got a few struts in the wrong place I was starting to doubt myself. It all turned out fine after we found the mistakes.

On 9/24/2012 8:46 AM, Ev wrote:

beautiful photo!

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:08 AM, spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> wrote:

Last night I put the last strut in place in the dome frame. This will get locked in place with a bond beam and then on to papercrete!

Still looking for volunteers who want to get covered with slurry : )

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Finished Frame

El Paso county near the Hueco Mts.

There is nothing like getting covered with slurry to give you a great appreciation of pc : )

On 9/24/2012 11:03 AM, Jacquita wrote:

Hi,    I'm a long time lurker of this group but this is my first time to respond. Where are you located? I might be close enough to volunteer some, and it would be good for me to get some actual hands on.    JQ     --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Ev <evelynanne8@...> wrote:

  beautiful photo!      On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:08 AM, spaceman <Spaceman@...

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**      Last night I put the last strut in place in the dome frame. This will get  locked in place with a bond beam and then on to papercrete!        Still looking for volunteers who want to get covered with slurry  : )

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[papercreters] Re: Finished Frame

Hi,

I'm a long time lurker of this group but this is my first time to respond. Where are you located? I might be close enough to volunteer some, and it would be good for me to get some actual hands on.

JQ

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Ev <evelynanne8@...> wrote:
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> beautiful photo!
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> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:08 AM, spaceman <Spaceman@...
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> > Last night I put the last strut in place in the dome frame. This will get
> > locked in place with a bond beam and then on to papercrete!
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> > Still looking for volunteers who want to get covered with slurry : )
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Re: [papercreters] Finished Frame

beautiful photo!

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:08 AM, spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> wrote:

Last night I put the last strut in place in the dome frame. This will get locked in place with a bond beam and then on to papercrete!

Still looking for volunteers who want to get covered with slurry : )

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[papercreters] Finished Frame

Last night I put the last strut in place in the dome frame. This will get locked in place with a bond beam and then on to papercrete!

Still looking for volunteers who want to get covered with slurry : )

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Sunday, September 23, 2012

Vedr. [papercreters] Re: Using papercrete to insulate the chimney in a rocket mass heater

I hear you:-)

My experience is very limited, I'm currently using papercrete to insulate my walls, I will use stones on the outside, and probably Tadelakt on the inside. I can't put borax in the mix, because it's sold at the Pharmacy here, at 73 dollars pr. 30 grams. As a private person I cannot buy it in bulk, I did file a request to the department of "pollution and the climate", to get a form "application to use toxic and very toxic products" that I would have to fill inn, and get the police to sign - but the department have to send me the form, and I only got a reply from the department "we have registered your request", hehe, some months back, and I don't think I will hear from them again.. Norway.. Not that long ago they made it mandatory to report any changes made to "your" bathroom to the state, but they didn't pull it off and had to annul it - many state jobs were lost..

Back to the topic, I'm still not sure if I'm going to use papercrete to insulate the chimney, but if I do I will add a lot of cement - I think it should work if I have enough cement mix, like it has been suggested here before.

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Dato: Søndag 16. september 2012 17.02

Hello--so far I've mostly been a "wishful lurker" to this site(wanting to use papercrete extensively, only being able to dabble a bit, reading whatever time allows). Having used a rocket stove last year in the house we are in the process of building, this post caught my attention, so I thought I might reply with what little bit of experience I have.

A couple of years ago we were lucky enough to find (at a yard sale) a 3' tall (approx) metal box with a 6" stove pipe attached inside (I think it was made to be used as a double-wall to insert through a wall). When we got to the stage we were ready to build our rocket stove, we simply filled the space between the pipe and the box (about 1-2" wide) with wood ashes. We figured it was the perfect insulator--non-flammable, non-heat-conductive (is that a word?) and cheap.

To make a long explanation short, we set it up on a couple of cinderblocks, the 55 gallon barrel fit down exactly over the top of it onto the same cinderblocks with a couple-of-inches space at the top, a 6" elbow pipe fit in at the back for the smoke to go out, the burn box between the cinderblocks and out the front was made out of bricks, then we built a wooden box around the cinderblocks and filled it with plain dirt to cover all the air cracks. We didn't have to cut any holes in anything metal--which was good because we didn't have any way to do that.

On the subject of papercrete, several years ago I was doing some experimenting with papercrete (did you know, by the way, that while papercrete "bricks" are setting you can place small rocks/other articles in the top in different patterns and they turn out beautiful? Don't try putting the rocks in patterns in the bottom of the molds, however, because they fall out later). Anyway, I had made a few blocks and, as it was somewhat cold outside at the time, I had set them up next to our woodstove to dry faster. That evening I noticed one had fallen over quite close to the stove and had started to smoke a bit, so I took it outside and leaned it up against the aluminum siding on the porch, figuring it would just go out since there was only a little smoke and no actual fire. The next morning I went out to get it, and it was gone--for a moment I wondered who had taken my papercrete block, then I noticed a small pile of ashes on the porch, and a yellowed spot on the aluminum siding. Can anyone say "smoldering?"

After that experience, I myself wouldn't use papercrete anywhere near extreme heat unless some type of fireproofing (borax, maybe) had been added--maybe not even then just to be safe. We're actually in the process of getting our rocket stove ready to place cob/clay around it to turn it into a mass heater this year. We are, however, planning on using papercrete as mortar between stone/cordwood on the outside of our house and maybe on one of our interior walls for a pattern/texture when we get that far ;p

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "oystein_tandberg" <oystein_tandberg@...> wrote:
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> Hi!
> I was wondering if anyone has any experience in using papercrete to insulate chimneys? I'm planning to make a rocket mass heater, and I see most people use perlite, but perlite is very expensive here, so I was thinking using papercrete instead – ideas anyone?
> Best regards
>

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Friday, September 21, 2012

Re: [papercreters] Ready for volunteers

Thanks, Ev. I'm going to work smart so the pc should go fast and easy IF I can keep my paper supply line running. Even working in the hole as the temperature drops at night shows how great it will be once sealed. T shirts down in the hole, up on the surface you need a jacket and that's with an open top! I look forward to being at a comfortable temperature year round : )

On 9/21/2012 12:01 PM, Ev wrote:

I would love to come and help but alas I had to get a real job, really puts a crimp in life :( So enjoy all the posts, there will always be a place in my heart for papercrete and the people I've met because of it. Hope you get some people Spaceman, you know I would be there if I could.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Perry Way <perryway@gmail.com> wrote:

I would love the experience but I just took a bunch of vacation time and can't leave for a while. When were you thinking? before the first snows, right?

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:10 PM, spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> wrote:

Anyone want to come help me papercrete this? Then I'll move the workshop dome over the entrance and re-cover it too.

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Re: [papercreters] Ready for volunteers

I would love to come and help but alas I had to get a real job, really puts a crimp in life :( So enjoy all the posts, there will always be a place in my heart for papercrete and the people I've met because of it. Hope you get some people Spaceman, you know I would be there if I could.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Perry Way <perryway@gmail.com> wrote:

I would love the experience but I just took a bunch of vacation time and can't leave for a while. When were you thinking? before the first snows, right?

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:10 PM, spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> wrote:

Anyone want to come help me papercrete this? Then I'll move the workshop dome over the entrance and re-cover it too.

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Re: [papercreters] Ready for volunteers

snow? what's that? like rain but when it is cold? we don't get any of that...

Seriously, first frost will come within a month probably, would like to get some pc on before then. Around here there is no problem working right on through the winter, but I would prefer to have my roof drying out before the end of the world on 12-21.

On 9/20/2012 1:58 PM, Perry Way wrote:

I would love the experience but I just took a bunch of vacation time and can't leave for a while. When were you thinking? before the first snows, right?

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:10 PM, spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> wrote:

Anyone want to come help me papercrete this? Then I'll move the workshop dome over the entrance and re-cover it too.

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Thursday, September 20, 2012

Re: [papercreters] Ready for volunteers

I would love the experience but I just took a bunch of vacation time and can't leave for a while. When were you thinking? before the first snows, right?

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:10 PM, spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> wrote:

Anyone want to come help me papercrete this? Then I'll move the workshop dome over the entrance and re-cover it too.

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[papercreters] Ready for volunteers

Anyone want to come help me papercrete this? Then I'll move the workshop dome over the entrance and re-cover it too.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2012

[papercreters] Low-end Power Washer Did Top Job Pulping for Me

Haven't been here for almost a year. But thought I'd share this as someone might find it useful.

Saw a well-rated (in comments from buyers) 1500 psi pressure washer available for $100 from Home Depot.

That's about 1,000 psi lower than has previously been recommended here for paper pulping.

Still, thought I'd experiment with it. If it didn't do the job, I had 90 days to return it.

It's this model: AR Blue Clean1500 psi 1.58 GPM Portable Electric Pressure Washer with Total Stop System

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-203161713/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=AR118+Blue+Clean+1%2C500+PSI+wall+mount+%2F+portable+electric+pr&storeId=10051#.UFqZhLJlQyo

For my first two experiments, I used it in a 5 gallon pail 1/2 filled with paper pressed down well. Mostly newsprint and mail -- junk mail letters and envelopes. Heavy-weight stationery but no cardboard.

I did add water to the pail to just cover the top of the paper and let it all soak for about 30 minutes before pulping.

The little 1500 psi pressure washer did an astounding job.

No attachments. No rotary attachment as has been recommended here. Just the wand adjusted to the finest spray. I pumped it up and down through the paper and moved it around the floor and walls of the bucket. Took less than five minutes and I had oatmeal. Was not at all strenuous.

I DID wear a face shield and hat and neoprene gloves. And that was important, as there is a lot of flyback. My shoes got papered even.

Next move is to a 50-gallon drum. Think this is a useful pulping solution for those working with small batches at a time.

No idea how long this pressure washer will hold up. SHOULD have bought the 3-year extended warranty-replacement plan for $10, but didn't. Meant to, but the 30 days to do got away from me before I had tested the washer to see if it would work for my intended purpose.

I also used it to mix relatively thick mud and lime. For that I measured the lime and the clay into the pail and then pumped the pressure washer up and down and around until I had a thick soup developing and then stirred with the wand while spraying. Worked well, but I do worry about snapping the wand in two doing this.

Hope that's useful for someone.

-- ken

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Monday, September 17, 2012

[papercreters] Cement, papercrete and hypertufa

One reason "old concrete guys " might look askance at papercrete is it violates some basic guidelines. Concrete is a crystalline sturucture. making crystals means a holding concrete insolution long enough for it to develope big crystals. In concrete slabs they might be covered with burlap, or plastic or sprayed with a sealer like gum arabic. This serves to keep the water from escaping too quickly. {experience Arcosanti in central Arizona}
While reading an article on hypertufa ( a mix of peatmoss, sand and Portland cement) used to make planters and planting troughs of all sizes; the author advocated removing the troughs from their molds asap and covering with plastic for two weeks (normal concrete is said to gain 70 % of its "strength" in the first two weeks. One of y'al making blocks might want to try this technique and see if affects the strenght of the finished product. Hypertufa is preferred for garden troughs as you can leave it out thru the winter and not have the frost crack it.

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Sunday, September 16, 2012

[papercreters] Re: Using papercrete to insulate the chimney in a rocket mass heater

Hello--so far I've mostly been a "wishful lurker" to this site(wanting to use papercrete extensively, only being able to dabble a bit, reading whatever time allows). Having used a rocket stove last year in the house we are in the process of building, this post caught my attention, so I thought I might reply with what little bit of experience I have.

A couple of years ago we were lucky enough to find (at a yard sale) a 3' tall (approx) metal box with a 6" stove pipe attached inside (I think it was made to be used as a double-wall to insert through a wall). When we got to the stage we were ready to build our rocket stove, we simply filled the space between the pipe and the box (about 1-2" wide) with wood ashes. We figured it was the perfect insulator--non-flammable, non-heat-conductive (is that a word?) and cheap.

To make a long explanation short, we set it up on a couple of cinderblocks, the 55 gallon barrel fit down exactly over the top of it onto the same cinderblocks with a couple-of-inches space at the top, a 6" elbow pipe fit in at the back for the smoke to go out, the burn box between the cinderblocks and out the front was made out of bricks, then we built a wooden box around the cinderblocks and filled it with plain dirt to cover all the air cracks. We didn't have to cut any holes in anything metal--which was good because we didn't have any way to do that.

On the subject of papercrete, several years ago I was doing some experimenting with papercrete (did you know, by the way, that while papercrete "bricks" are setting you can place small rocks/other articles in the top in different patterns and they turn out beautiful? Don't try putting the rocks in patterns in the bottom of the molds, however, because they fall out later). Anyway, I had made a few blocks and, as it was somewhat cold outside at the time, I had set them up next to our woodstove to dry faster. That evening I noticed one had fallen over quite close to the stove and had started to smoke a bit, so I took it outside and leaned it up against the aluminum siding on the porch, figuring it would just go out since there was only a little smoke and no actual fire. The next morning I went out to get it, and it was gone--for a moment I wondered who had taken my papercrete block, then I noticed a small pile of ashes on the porch, and a yellowed spot on the aluminum siding. Can anyone say "smoldering?"

After that experience, I myself wouldn't use papercrete anywhere near extreme heat unless some type of fireproofing (borax, maybe) had been added--maybe not even then just to be safe. We're actually in the process of getting our rocket stove ready to place cob/clay around it to turn it into a mass heater this year. We are, however, planning on using papercrete as mortar between stone/cordwood on the outside of our house and maybe on one of our interior walls for a pattern/texture when we get that far ;p

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "oystein_tandberg" <oystein_tandberg@...> wrote:
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> Hi!
> I was wondering if anyone has any experience in using papercrete to insulate chimneys? I'm planning to make a rocket mass heater, and I see most people use perlite, but perlite is very expensive here, so I was thinking using papercrete instead – ideas anyone?
> Best regards
>

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Saturday, September 15, 2012

Re: [papercreters] Using papercrete to insulate the chimney in a rocket mass heater

Way back years ago someone posted that they had used papercrete blocks to build a fire pit, and after several fires the bricks were black but not degraded. I don't remember seeing a follow up report later.

I would think that if pc is used in an area without really high temperatures then no problem for sure. In really high temperatures I would expect the paper fibers to char and leave the cement matrix behind, which is good insulation like foamed concrete. As Kim said, high cement content would be recommended.

spaceman

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Hi!  I was wondering if anyone has any experience in using papercrete to insulate chimneys? I'm planning to make a rocket mass heater, and I see most people use perlite, but perlite is very expensive here,  so I was thinking using papercrete instead – ideas anyone?   Best regards          ------------------------------------    Yahoo! Groups Links    <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/    <*> Your email settings:      Individual Email | Traditional    <*> To change settings online go to:      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join      (Yahoo! ID required)    <*> To change settings via email:      papercreters-digest@yahoogroups.com       papercreters-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com    <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:      papercreters-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com    <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:      http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/        -----  No virus found in this message.  Checked by AVG - www.avg.com  Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5269 - Release Date: 09/15/12

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Re: [papercreters] Using papercrete to insulate the chimney in a rocket mass heater

Greetings,
We have used it, but we went really heavy on the portland cement. Like
3 to 1, portland to paper by weight. No sand in the mix. The building
was hit by a near miss tornado, and was structurally damaged, so I can't
tell how long it lasted before degrading, as it was only use for part of
a season in Texas, which are short heating seasons to start.

Bright Blessings,
Garth & Kim Travis
www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
Bedias, Texas

On 9/15/2012 2:38 PM, oystein_tandberg wrote:
> Hi!
> I was wondering if anyone has any experience in using papercrete to
> insulate chimneys? I'm planning to make a rocket mass heater, and I see
> most people use perlite, but perlite is very expensive here, so I was
> thinking using papercrete instead – ideas anyone?
> Best regards
>
>
>
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[papercreters] Using papercrete to insulate the chimney in a rocket mass heater

Hi!
I was wondering if anyone has any experience in using papercrete to insulate chimneys? I'm planning to make a rocket mass heater, and I see most people use perlite, but perlite is very expensive here, so I was thinking using papercrete instead – ideas anyone?
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Re: [papercreters] progress photo

The dirt work has been less than fun, shovels are my least favorite tool! But this is the first 5 frequency dome I've done other than models, and that is great fun : )

On 9/15/2012 10:57 AM, perryway@gmail.com wrote:

You are THE MAN! :) wish I could help, that looks like FUN! Have a great weekend!

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Subject: [papercreters] progress photo

racing the frost...

I should have all the pc triangles cast in the next couple of weeks, and placed before the end of Oct, ready for topcoat and seal. The small dome in the background will be moved over the entrance to the underground rooms.

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Re: [papercreters] progress photo

You are THE MAN! :) wish I could help, that looks like FUN! Have a great weekend!

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Subject: [papercreters] progress photo

racing the frost...

I should have all the pc triangles cast in the next couple of weeks, and placed before the end of Oct, ready for topcoat and seal. The small dome in the background will be moved over the entrance to the underground rooms.

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Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Re: [papercreters] foamed cement / concrete threatens to make papercrete obsolete!...

hear hear!

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Donald Miller <donald1miller@yahoo.com> wrote:

Many of these "new and amazing" building techniques fail to live up to their hype and most are tailored to help commercial builders do thing faster and thus make a bigger profit. Many people who do papercrete do so because they have limited financial resources and or dont' want to go into debt. There is also a satisfaction that comes with using one's own hands and sweat to make a useful product. The use of waste paper and cardboard also helps conserve the planets resources and the manufacturing of cement creates a tremendous amount of greenhouse gases.

If we could all slow down a bit instead of jumping on every "newer and faster is better" bandwagon our society would be the better for it.

--- On Sun, 9/9/12, germeten <germeten@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: germeten <germeten@yahoo.com>
Subject: [papercreters] foamed cement / concrete threatens to make papercrete obsolete!...
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 9, 2012, 1:37 PM

Just google it, or search on Youtube. Why spend time collecting, hydrating and chewing up cardboard (which has weight) when you can just blow bubbles into cement? You need a mixer, a compressor, a hose/screen (to blow bubbles through) and the surfactant.

Actually, papercrete will always have a place; it's infinitely more sculptable than foam, and probably stronger, but for blocks and panels, foam is the way.

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Monday, September 10, 2012

Re: [papercreters] foamed cement / concrete threatens to make papercrete obsolete!...

Agreed!

All I want to learn about here is papercrete.

Dan

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From: Donald Miller

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Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 12:02 PM

Subject: Re: [papercreters] foamed cement / concrete threatens to make papercrete obsolete!...

Many of these "new and amazing" building techniques fail to live up to their hype and most are tailored to help commercial builders do thing faster and thus make a bigger profit. Many people who do papercrete do so because they have limited financial resources and or dont' want to go into debt. There is also a satisfaction that comes with using one's own hands and sweat to make a useful product. The use of waste paper and cardboard also helps conserve the planets resources and the manufacturing of cement creates a tremendous amount of greenhouse gases.

If we could all slow down a bit instead of jumping on every "newer and faster is better" bandwagon our society would be the better for it.

--- On Sun, 9/9/12, germeten <germeten@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: germeten <germeten@yahoo.com>
Subject: [papercreters] foamed cement / concrete threatens to make papercrete obsolete!...
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 9, 2012, 1:37 PM

Just google it, or search on Youtube. Why spend time collecting, hydrating and chewing up cardboard (which has weight) when you can just blow bubbles into cement? You need a mixer, a compressor, a hose/screen (to blow bubbles through) and the surfactant.

Actually, papercrete will always have a place; it's infinitely more sculptable than foam, and probably stronger, but for blocks and panels, foam is the way.

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